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'I'M AFRAID OF AMERICANS'

Mowl

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'I'M AFRAID OF AMERICANS'

Isn't it such a crazy time to be alive? I mean take a quick look at what's flowing through your message stream today? Endless hundreds of thousands of people of all colours, shapes, sizes, religions, political views and sociological outlooks; men, women, children, their pets, their friends, their friends of friends, and relatives too. All marching, all with hope in their hearts and the need for change on their minds, all brought together by yet another needless death in terrible circumstances over in America. The land of the free.

Or so they say.

I recall growing up in the eighties in Ballyfermot Dublin under the shadow of the never ending Cold War. That horrible feeling that life as we knew it could be terminated at any moment depending on the mood of the presidents of America to the west and the evil axis of Russia in the east. It was a shadow we all lived under and the powers that be at the time had us hating the Russians and wanting them all dead.

Then a sort of a peace accord was finally reached when Communism fell along with the Berlin Wall and the prisoners of the east finally escaped to the relative freedom of the west. They were welcomed with open arms and we were all relieved these decades of fear were finally over. But it seems the American economy cannot survive or prosper unless it has the war machine leading the charge for freedom and liberty for all, and so we turned from the dark eighties to the even starker nineties when Bush Senior sent in the troops (along with Tony Blair's hapless guinea pigs) to take out Iraq, and tens of thousands more were killed, maimed, and the ultimately discarded by their generals. And so our hate for the Russians turned to our hate for the Iraqis. For the entire Middle East in fact, because we were being force fed pro-American, pro-Western propaganda from the moment we woke until the moment we drifted off into yet another dystopian nightmare of shifting unrest.

At the turn of the millennium we then had 9/11, and once again the war machine kicked into action. Propaganda of the most extreme kinds were used to instill fear into every man, woman, and child across the west. Once again the British and the Americans did what they do best: start another war. Send untold hundreds of thousands to their certain terrible deaths in order to keep a necessary and perceived balance of fear and loathing working against clear thinking and diplomacy.

Throughout the noughties things didn't change much. War here, war there, rumours of a war. War in the east, war in the west - and worst of all: our own minds at war with themselves trying to figure out why the world is such a terrible and deadly place.

I've come to a simple conclusion here: I do not hate the people of Russia. They are my neighbours and friends now that I live here in Finland. I do not hate my Middle Eastern brethren either, as they're in as deep a struggle as any of us are with poverty, human rights, and a seemingly hopeless and desolate future.

No.

I'm afraid of Americans.

I'm terrified of that country, her people, her crazy leaders, the entire black cartoon that is modern American life. Land of the free? No, not really. Land of the brutalized, land of the obese and entitled, land of the invasive and the neo-Nazi quasi-fascism they behold as Christian and godly. I'm afraid of what they're doing right now, what they'll do next, how much it's costing the rest of the planet and the price we pay for enduring their absolute right to be completely selfish pigs at the trough of global diplomacy.

America is, quite frankly, the last bastion of slavery, of lives lived in permanent fear, of pride in the most banal of lifestyles of hamburgers and fries, of being cast down for taking the knee, of being shot for speaking your mind, of being isolated and battered for the colour of your skin or the gods you believe in should you walk and talk in public.

In short: America to me is the end of the world.

The cradle and bastion of hate, fear, and loathing.

But I do not hate all Americans: I pity them.

When the blind are lead by the blind and spoken to by the deaf and ignorant, then it's time to go back to high-babies and start again. America: I despise you, loathe you, and yet I pity you still. You are a global embarrassment, a planetary threat, and a spoiled little fucking brat who needs a severe beating to get you back in line.

God save you, Americans - because your president won't.

 

roc_abilly

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I agree on many levels.

Especially I feel the colonisation of mind and media that the US inflicts on the rest of the world.

However I never recall being taught to hate the Russian people, or to fear them. Rather the hate and fear was towards the totalitarian ideology that the Kremlin upheld and the repercussions of that ideology.

Entirely justified, I think.

Also, you will often find me taking a position on these forums against anti-Americanism. The reason is I think that even more insidious than Americanism is the growing anti-Americanism.

Well, it's perhaps more complicated than such a simplified dichotomy. Take this post for example.

What is it that stands out about that post? Aside from that it is gibberish and conspiracist minded and obviously a smorgasbord for dummies of appealing soundbites taken from a selection of a certain type of website.

What stands out is that it is governed less by a clear view of the relevant facts and the inner motives of others than by his theoretical model of the world and how it works, and why, and it is driven by his own inner pathology and feelings arising from that pathology.

Deduce his mental image of the world. See how he mistakes his labels and models of things for the things themselves. See how he seems unwitting of the fact that he has a hold of only mental images rather than a representation of reality.

That is just one example, granted a somewhat extreme one. But it's catching. Whereas the world is a complex place in reality. The real world doesn't lend itself to these type of models and labels and other conveniences like positing some cabal of bad guys somewhere as the cause of its problems.

I sometimes see these boards as a battle between "stories" that have been constructed to explain the world, and that battle is not fought on the basis of facts, reality, or rationality, but on an entirely different basis.

Frying pan and fire is what I suppose I'm trying to say.
 

roc_abilly

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Neither do I recall hate for Iraqis. In fact I would say it is perhaps the opposite when you refuse to turn your back on the plight of say the 100,000 Kurds brutally murdered in northern Iraq, the 200,000 Shia Muslims driven from the marshlands in southern Iraq, the attempt to subjugate and brutalise the Kuwaitis in 1990, the routine butchering of political opponents, the prison "cleansing" regimes in which thousands died, the torture chambers and hideous penalties supervised by Saddam and his family and detailed by Amnesty International.

Sure, hate for Saddam the tyrant who did all these kind of things to people that according to the only ideology I hold myself, are in fact my brothers and sisters.

If I was held in some torture chamber somewhere, would I want to be abandoned to my fate, because the likes of Mick Wallace or George Galloway have incited a critical mass of people to chant slogans like "Not in my name", and "Warmongers" and "Neocons" etc?

Which I suppose brings it back again to this frying pan and fire scenario. As Galloway said, "I think the disappearance of the Soviet Union is the biggest catastrophe of my life. If there was a Soviet Union today, we would not be having this conversation about plunging into a new war in the Middle East, and the US would not be rampaging around the globe.".

That's the left. But you also have the likes of Trump, Rand Paul, and all the other right-wing non-interventionists also playing to similar sentiment, that basically avoids picturing the reality of the suffering of others under tyrants like Saddam. (I might add that I define "the right" politically as denying the idea of the brotherhood of man in all its forms. This is what characterises them.)

No doubt there is war propaganda, but there is also so-called peace propaganda, and echoing George Orwell, I would say it is just as dishonest and intellectually disgusting as war propaganda, perhaps even more so.
 

Mowl

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Before continuing, I would like to point out that the OP on
this thread was written during the Trump years, not
recently - but a few years ago.
 

roc_abilly

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The recent Buffalo shooter, 18yo, was yet another one espousing the same theories as Jambo Dawson.


Apparently the likes of Tucker Carlson are bringing some of the theory's slogans more mainstream in America. Doesn't augur well for the US.
 

roc_abilly

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So what?

The situation will be that no race will be a majority. It will be a true melting pot just like the great cosmopolitan cities of the Mediterranean like ancient Alexandria etc.

Why should it be assumed the natural state of the US is white? Native Americans were there first. Then whites came as immigrants. They imported millions of Africans as slaves. They imported millions of Asians as cheap labour. They border a Hispanic majority by country and continent.

The idea that it is a "plot" is absurd. What may be an issue is that the economic system demands continuous unsustainable growth and souls of any race or colour to continually replenish the lower strata of the economic hierarchy.
 
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Evan

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The reason whites will be a minority is because they've so many illegal immigrants pouring over the Southern border

The recent Buffalo shooter, 18yo, was yet another one espousing the same theories as Jambo Dawson.


Apparently the likes of Tucker Carlson are bringing some of the theory's slogans more mainstream in America. Doesn't augur well for the US.
The libtards have been trying to get him sacked for years. And what's happened? His ratings have skyrocketed. Might be a lesson there for you lads.
 
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Electricity

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So what?

The situation will be that no race will be a majority.
The situation will be that whites will become a minority. Why should whites be happy with that?

Why should it be assumed the natural state of the US is white?
Because it's a white country. Why should the natural state of Israel be Jewish?

Native Americans were there first. Then whites came as immigrants.
Immigrants? Hardly. Founders and settlers of a (white) country.

They imported millions of Africans as slaves. They imported millions of Asians as cheap labour. They border a Hispanic majority by country and continent.

The idea that it is a "plot" is absurd. What may be an issue is that the economic system demands continuous unsustainable growth and souls of any race or colour to continually replenish the lower strata of the economic hierarchy.
What does it matter whether it's a "plot"?

You know, people have cottoned on to this shtick. I did myself actually with Clanrickard some while back (and made a few posts about it on a couple of occasions on Pish). So what you mean by 'conspiracy theory' is that there isn't a plot, ignoring the fact that it's actually happening.
 

roc_abilly

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The situation will be that whites will become a minority. Why should whites be happy with that?
The usual retreat to the language of victimhood. And making insinuations.

What I said was correct.

To summarise, the main point is that there will be no "majority". Say it.

So what will change?

The answer is nothing. As we're not talking about say a Muslim majority changing the constitution to encompass sharia law and make the place a waqf or whatever.

Or we're not talking about an African American majority imposing reparations for past mistreatment or whatever.

Or anything else. The constitution and values will remain unchanged, obviously.

But the problem for some people like you is what has already occurred.

Namely, you're having to deal today with equality with the "other", whether gays, blacks, Jews, Africans, women, or whomever.

And for sad saps like you who once were able to look down on such groups and feel your superiority in law, in custom, well your world is collapsing.

I say good riddance. You now occupy your rightful place in society devoid of the former artificial supports. Not because you're white. But because you're a fucking moron.
 
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Electricity

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The usual retreat to the language of victimhood. And making insinuations.
More buzzology

What I said was correct.
What I said was more pertinent.

The change will be.. that the indigenous (European descended) people of the United States of America, will change from being the majority to a minority. I ask again, why should they, or any indigenous people for that matter, be happy with that?

To summarise, the main point is that there will be no "majority". Say it.

So what will change?
See above

The answer is nothing.
Well you are insane

As we're not talking about say a Muslim majority changing the constitution to encompass sharia law and make the place a waqf or whatever.

Or we're not talking about an African American majority imposing reparations for past mistreatment or whatever.
African Americans (and other anti-whites) are calling for reparations today.

Or anything else. The constitution and values will remain unchanged, obviously.
The Constitution, written by white people?

But the problem for some people like you is what has already occurred.

Namely, you're having to deal today with equality with the "other", whether gays, blacks, Jews, Africans, women, or whomever.
I have nothing against equality, this is just one of your dumb tropes to claim that I'm a white supremacist. Doggy is the other person who accuses me of being a white supremacist (but that's because she doesn't believe that there is any such thing as race).

Really, your (false) accusation is better.. but still equally as wrong.

I have said before that I believe that all Irish citizens should be treated equally.

What I am against, of course, is the profound and grotesque vandalism of Irish citizenship. And I believe that the people responsible for that should be tried and upon conviction put to death.

And for sad saps like you who once were able to look down on such groups and feel your superiority in law, in custom, well your world is collapsing.
See above

I say good riddance. You now occupy your rightful place in society devoid of the former artificial supports. Not because you're white. But because you're a fucking moron.
 
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Bob hope

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America is a rancid shithole of meth addicts, illegal immigrants, crazy pc loons, black criminals, obese savages, mass shootings, single mothers etc

Good riddance to the shithole
 

Thor

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America is a rancid shithole of meth addicts, illegal immigrants, crazy pc loons, black criminals, obese savages, mass shootings, single mothers etc

Good riddance to the shithole

Hey, screw you pal. America kicks ass.

Without us those damn eurotrash would be commies.

We have the number one economy and military in the world. Nobody jerks around with us.

The problem is libtards like Joe Biden and not America.

When the libtards are overthrown and it's a new morning in America again all of the euros with any common sense will be begging to be let into the land of Uncle Sam to escape the caliphate.

When taxes are 70% and prayers to Mohammed are mandatory, you will do anything to taste the sweet taste of liberty.

This is the problem with euros, they only wake up when it's too late.
 
Ah brilliant, what a superb film. Soundtrack is just awesome. So many brilliant characters, Radio Raheem and his tribute to Night of the Hunter with the 'Love' and 'Hate' on his knuckles... John Turturro in there, just brilliant.

Rosie Perez on the intro, one of the best ever... have to watch that again now this evening. SOUNDTRACK on it...
 
Top ten American fillums

(1) Night of the Hunter
(2) Raging Bull
(3) The Godfather
(4) Suburbia
(5) Glengarry Glen Ross
(6) Taxi Driver
(7) Apocalypse Now
(8) The Warriors
(9) Grapes of Wrath
(10) Do The Right Thing

Do the Right Thing is in at number 25 on the BBC's list of top US films so all their critics have that wrong... :)
 

roc_abilly

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What I said was more pertinent.
No. It is more truthful to say that it is likely that white people in America in the next few decades will lose their majority.

It is tenuous to say that the loss of their majority entails "minority status". (No doubt it is a non-thinking assumption that idiots make).

Rather as I pointed out above, there will be no succeeding other majority grouping - every racial or ethnic grouping in the country will be below 50%.

Added to which, “minority group” traditionally describes groups that are subordinate, or lacking power in society. - But there is no logic to say that will happen to white people once they are under 50%.

Even in your own posts you try to claim that there is prejudice and discrimination against white people today while they are still a majority. So by your own logic it is no consequence if they are a majority or if they lose that majority.

(Of course these claims of yours do not amount to prejudice and discrimination. Rather what you are referring to is the loss of superior status and treatment, and efforts towards engendering equality with non-white groups.)
 

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