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milkshake

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So, there appears to be a minor scuffle occurring on the eastern most regions of Europe as a whole.
A corrupt little backwater called Ukraine, has whored itself out to anyone with big enough pockets.
It's current punters are NATO, MIC weapons manufacturers, random arms dealers buying up these donated weapons for pennies, Pentagon bioweapons outsourcing, Private entities wishing to exploit eastern Ukraine's natural resources (thus the need to clear the area of people, and ship them as refugees to Europe and elsewhere).

So why does the rest of the world have to suffer on behalf of this worn out strumpet?
 

DS86DS

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What NATO is doing today in the Ukraine is no different to what the Soviets tried in Cuba back in the 60s.

If the Russians or Chinese tried to turn Mexico into a satellite state, you can be guaranteed that the US army would be at the gates of Mexico City within 48 hours.
 

milkshake

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So, where's the round of applause for Russia?
There is one, but you will never hear of it, because it will embarrass the West so much.
The BRIC's pre-empted this, and got all their ducks in a row before this kicked off.
Europe, not the US is fupped if this continues.
The US will be delighted over this, of course, because it will make Europe the poor beggar, reliant on US gas supplies.
At least Orban is making a stance on this.
 

DS86DS

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Well somebody with nefarious intentions is certainly pulling the strings in the background. And whoever they are know full well that they were never going to win a war with Russia. They were also aware that provoking Russia would lead to some of the economic consequences we are now facing in the West.

The Military Industrial Complex is big business. It's actually better to instigate pointless conflicts where they can cash-in and reap the financial rewards. They know small countries surrounding a major power will never be able to withstand an assault by the Russian Bear. Yet that's not the point - they have already profited off of the arms deals they made and the peoples and soldiers of countries such as the Ukraine be dammed.
 

roc_abilly

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Poland’s foreign minister said some of the interview had been “overinterpreted”, because he obviously shot his mouth off.

But Politico quoted exactly what he said. He said, “... He wanted us to become participants in this partition of Ukraine ... This was one of the first things that Putin said to my prime minister, Donald Tusk, when he visited Moscow... He (Putin) went on to say Ukraine is an artificial country and that Lwow is a Polish city and why don’t we just sort it out together...".

The viewpoint that Ukraine is "an artificial country" is the viewpoint of Russian ultranationalism and its useful fools in the West, not anyone else's viewpoint. It is certainly a country with its own history, granted a difficult one.

Whereas Putin is just all about recovering past glories of the Russian empire. Did you ever read the article he wrote before embarking on this his latest war (google translate it) for example.

Статья Владимира Путина «Об историческом единстве русских и украинцев»
 

Mowl

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Face it - your problem is the incoming tribes of Ukrainians. No amount of dissecting the actualities of what's happening there is going to change anything, you still have to deal with 30,000 incoming refugees on top of your domestic problems.

Ireland isn't sending troops over, a few envoys have showed up for photo calls near the front but for all the difference that made to the general population of Ukraine, they might as well have been sent to the moon.

You've got 30,000 people looking for accommodation right now, and you have to then factor in the surviving male troops from the front also going to Ireland to join their wives and families when the hub-bub of war finally eases out a bit.

You can surgically dissect as many angles on the situation, the how and why it happened, what's going on right now, and how long it'll take to sign a peace treaty. But it still doesn't change a damned thing. Ireland's going to be overrun with Ukrainian people jamming the schools, hospitals, and welfare offices. Your government is going to poke you in the eye to blind you - like they always do - so they can lick some butt in Brussels and check out what commissions are available in return for selling Ireland out.

That's it in a nutshell for you guys.

All the wrestling with varying opinions beyond these simple facts are complete bunkum.

Your population has just boomed without a single Irish cock entering a single Irish vagina or any midwives washing towels and fetching hot water. Your war is going to be Paddy versus Seigfried in the welfare and housing offices. In short, you got fucked all over again. Like you always do.

Problems in Syria? Paddy will take them in.

Beirut?

Calcutta?

Brazil?

Iran?

Iraq?

All your fault, that's what your government are telling you: you have to let these people into your houses to eat, sleep, and shower before hitting the dole office for the hand-outs. Paddy has about as much chance of really understanding, deciphering, and dissecting the actualities as the man in the moon. These are mere and tedious opinions, nothing more. If you want to get serious about Ukraine, get your arses over to Leinster House and start sorting your great leaders out. All this huff and puff on these Irish blogs is just more white noise in the foreground. You might think you have it all sussed out, but you can't even see the mess your own parliament is making of your country. Your life. Your future. Hopes, dreams, aspirations: all in the sewer. And you lot waste your time flexing your intellects?

Jaze fuck.

No wonder Ireland's on her knees.
 
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Daly

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Great Post Mowl. The minute this war started, the virtue signalling kicked in and we had the laughable spectacle of idiot politicians proposing to take in 200,000 fucking people - in the midst of a housing crisis etc.

Our immigration system is already on its knees, with dodgy language schools attracting a wave of people from Brazil, Turkey and God knows where else; cynical business owners demanding more cheap labour; landlords and property big wigs doing their best to increase demand. You walk around Dublin these days and every second person is foreign.

And Irish people just smile and go along with it.

I long ago lost faith in this country. Our leaders (and eloctorate) are the most mindless, unthinking bunch of gobshites around. Imagine voting in FF again after what they've done to the country. Fucking depressing.
 

Mowl

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Great Post Mowl. The minute this war started, the virtue signalling kicked in and we had the laughable spectacle of idiot politicians proposing to take in 200,000 fucking people - in the midst of a housing crisis etc.

Our immigration system is already on its knees, with dodgy language schools attracting a wave of people from Brazil, Turkey and God knows where else; cynical business owners demanding more cheap labour; landlords and property big wigs doing their best to increase demand. You walk around Dublin these days and every second person is foreign.

And Irish people just smile and go along with it.

I long ago lost faith in this country. Our leaders (and eloctorate) are the most mindless, unthinking bunch of gobshites around. Imagine voting in FF again after what they've done to the country. Fucking depressing.

Hard to disagree with any of that.

Back in around 1993/1994 we did a gig to raise some money and some press for a gang of youths who, after their leaving cert, asked Mammy and Daddy to fund them on a sound production course run by a fellow called Thewliss, can't remember his first name but we knitted his name into the chorus of one of our tunes and the kids went mental for it. Rock Garden, long before it became Doran's.

Anyway, the kids booked us in for the show because we were their house band: as part of their studies, they got to work our sound, see how to record a band, use the mics properly, set up the tape machine, prepare the room, yadda yadda. It was a very pricey alternative to Paddy Dunning's courses at Sun Studios. The kids who didn't make the grade with Paddy went to Thewliss instead. Dublin was producing more sound engineers than she had work for. It was a madhouse really.

Anyway, after a few weeks of study they showed up one morning and the coppers had taped the fornt door. No entrance. All of the money spent on the studio was gone, as was the entire studio rig, the paid-in fees the kids parents had paid out, and Thewliss was gone. Disappeared. Took everything with him including items the kids owned: guitars, drums, cymbals, mics, you name it.

He also took a dozen or more 2'' tape reels of mine (they sell for around €300 per fifteen minute roll) and we had our entire catalogue on a few longer reels. They went too. No insurance, fuck all. Gone. THankfully none of my gear was in the building, because that would have gone too.

They never tracked the guy down either, which makes you wonder how in the name of jayzus he got out of the country with the shit - there was literally tonnes of gear to shift overnight, so he wasn't alone, that's a fact.

But that's Ireland for you: thieves at every turn.

The point being - those language courses are the exact same scam.

When the suckers pay in, grab the loot and run.
 

Mowl

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It's been confirmed that Putin has cancer.

This is his final parade, and he clearly wants to go out with a bang, so the chances of a coup are increasing by the hour. Troops on the front lines east of the Donbass are refusing to respond to orders. They can see it's a futile move that'll take masses of lives with fuck all return.

Putin's rattled, seriously rattled: if any of his team make an attempt to summon a conversation about surrender and he stifles it, it's curtains. And I hope they choose poisoning as his last exit.

He deserves to to suffer even worse than those he had poisoned.

Finland's application has also rattled him - he's running out of friends. Not even China want anything to do with him. I'd put money on a coup at this point. if he so much as mentions a nuclear solution, he's dead. By his own people. This shitshow can't last much longer: his own army have serious doubts about his actions and commands and thereby also his ego and general mindset: maybe he wants to take everyone with him when he dies? I'd say there are teams of special ops in the background already working on solutions and alternatives to his orders.

If the Russians love their children too...

 

milkshake

Member
Slightly off topic, but is America threatening to go to war with China over Taiwan?


The US will go to war with anyone about anything at the behest of their MIC lobbyists.
It's a given.
Why do you think their infrastructure is in such a shambles?
But yet, US citizens will hold their hand on their heart whilst reciting the anthem, and thank veterans for their service, without realising that none of this was every necessary. It was all by design. But not to benefit them. They are just the milk cow needed to fund it.
 

milkshake

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I think this is terrible
It's totally horrific. It's never been verified to have happened in Ukraine though.
Why the likes of Zelensky is using the horrifying experience of this child to promote his agenda, speaks of his own degeneracy.
 

milkshake

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The EU getting together with the African Union to denounce Russia?

The African Union has already aligned itself with Russia, China and the BRIC's. It know what it need, and who can provide it.
The West is a consumer society, it is useless to them.
 

milkshake

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The collective West has underestimated the solidity and the resilience of the Russian economy.
If we were to compare Russian economy in PPP term, purchasing Power parity which is a more appropriate calculation for GDP, the Russian economy would be at the same level of the German economy, the largest European economy, with a high level of technology and industrialization but with also two very important elements :
- Self-sufficiency : Russian economy has absolutely everything it needs in term of ressources, production capacity and infrastructure for development.
- It is backed by vast resources in commodities, it is the World’s largest producer in energy and agriculture products.
The West has done a huge miscalculation in sanctioning Russia, they thought they could destroy Russian economy same as they did with Irak, Iran, Venezuela.
How naïve, instead the sanctions created a paradigm shift :
- The acceleration of de-dollarisation. By imposing payment in Rubble to the EU, Russia has converted its currency in the first currency backed by tangible assets, unlike the US dollars which is backed by nothing and imposed upon the World by force and coercion.
- Another shift is the acceleration of Economic Power from West to East, from the old imperialist World to the global south alliance under the BRICS which stands for : Brasil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. All combined the non-collective west economies are much larger than the collective west.

Instead of hurting Russia, the sanctions have increased Russian sales and accumulations of currency reserves, 100 billions of dollars have been paid mainly by the EU since the beginning of the Russian special operation.
Instead, the collective West will end up with high inflation, paying much more for its imports and the collective west has to bear the cost of 4 millions Ukrainian refugees, 200 billion per year investment into Ukraine to wage a war against Russia.
They wanted a regime change in Russia, unstead we will see many European countries to have their own regime changes at home, they will get to taste a bit of their own medicine.
It is karma, it is always there awaiting the right time to strike. This is maybe the payback time for the collective west, hopefully an awakening to the reality of new multipolar world and the end of Western imperialism
 

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